Wednesday, February 14, 2018

And the winner is..........TOYO!

I told you we were looking at replacing our once again cracked Michelins sometime this spring, either just the steer tires this year or possibly all 8 if we could find a good deal.  Well, it's going to be all 8, and we are doing it next week.  We were for some reason taking another close look at our tires and noticed with quite some surprise that not only were they all cracked but our steers had a funny wear pattern on them that we had not noticed before.  In fact when we first saw the front left tire we were shocked at how bad it appeared.  When we are parked and leveled the coach sits down quite a bit so to take a better look we started it up, got it up on it's air suspension, turned the wheel, and even though it was unusual, it wasn't as bad as we thought, thankfully.  At first we wondered if we could even drive it to get tires or whether we would have to have someone come to us.  So with this development we decided we were going to take care of all 8 if we could.  Now I should interject, we have driven more than 46,500 miles on these tires, but they are not quite 4 years old.  Then I looked and found that since our last alignment 5 years ago, we had driven over 53,800 miles.  I had narrowed the choice down to the Toyo M144 tires from many, many reports on line and a few direct contacts and found they were a very well respected tire with great specs, and even better, $200 less PER tire than Michelins, and I could find no reports of cracking or failure.  First, I called Josam in Orlando, probably the most respected RV chassis and alignment center east of the Mississippi, and a place we have been several times to see if they thought a bad alignment might have caused this wear pattern.  Barry, the service manager there said he doubted it, but when was my last alignment?  When I told him, 5 years and 53,800 miles ago, he said I might want to think about another:)  We talked about tires and he felt Toyo's were a great choice as well, and then asked if he could give me a quote?  Of course!  Never gave a thought to getting tires there.


Our strange wear pattern


The right is not nearly as bad as the left
I made numerous calls around Florida and Georgia, as we had decided we would both feel better getting new tires before going too far.  I got several really good quotes and waited to hear back from Josam.  When I did we were doubly pleased as their quote was the best we had found, and it meant, "one stop shopping".  We set up an appointment for next week to have all 8 tires replaced, new Dynabeads balancing beads installed, new Borg long valve stems installed on the inside duals, no more extensions, and an alignment, all at one place!

We also got a few other smaller projects out of the way.  Our entry step treads were getting worn and looked pretty ratty, and the nonskid finish wasn't very nonskid anymore so off they came and new went on.  A multitool made quick work of it.
Old off and now the adhesive

New going on

Tada!
Then since we were on a roll, we decided to just bite the bullet and get our chassis batteries replaced a little sooner than we had planned, especially since we were going to make a trip to Orlando to get our tires.  And the fact that Karen and Tom wanted to replace their's as well made it a package deal.  We replaced our Lifeline AGM's with Interstate 31M-AGM's that have 800 CCA, and best of all a 36 month replacement warranty.  So I picked up the 5 batteries right here in Venice and installed 3 in our coach and we put 2 in K&T's coach.  Quick, easy, and best of all, done!
Old ones coming out

Bright, shiny, and new

Getting installed


Karen and Tom's coming out
And then one more thing.  If you remember way back in 2016, just before our appointment to have a few things worked on in Oregon, I ran our front passenger slide in  and POW, one of our new, at least in 2014, tiles cracked into a thousand pieces like a gunshot.  After realizing it was only a tile and not the entire side of the motorhome falling out, we put a temporary piece of plywood in until we got to the point of replacing it.  But why did it fail?  Turned out after we got to our appointment at Elite in Oregon, Erik found that the mastic we had used to apply the tiles didn't work, and in his opinion it would only be a matter of time before ALL of our tiles would loosen and come up.  Oh so wonderful, especially after the absolute hours and hours of time and effort that Jan and I put into that floor.  Well, we just got around to replacing the temporary plywood with a new tile, and we even considered, albeit for just an hour or so, replacing the entire tile floor.  After we came to our senses and at least told ourselves we would wait at least a year or maybe two before we would consider that, we did put in a new tile.
Plywood out, a sad uneven chunk of OSB out, and
a patch installed

Floor leveler to get it mostly smooth

A shim to, we hope, absorb the weight of the roller

Yes, we used silicone instead of mastic

All in waiting for grout
So we have not just been sitting around:)  We still have a few more smallish projects to attend to before we leave, and lots of time, famous last words.  Our quick trip to Orlando will also give us a chance to evaluate a new trip planning and mapping app we bought.  But more on that later.  So in the meantime, Happy Valentine's Day.

4 comments:

Sandy said...

The front tires are cupping on the outside edges. Typically a set of steer tires should go 100-200,000 miles. Part of the problem is highway/road with the two wear groves in them which is why the left is more heavily worn. As you drive the tire tries to climb that center ridge continuously, like using your sneakers to climb a rock face. The problem is magnified by the length of your rig from the drive tires to the steers. At some point in our country we will use high stability asphalt mixes that don't shift, wrinkle, or deform under traffic. As far as the cracking I see the tire guidelines say to replace every 7 years on passenger cars so I would assume heavy truck tires to be less.

Bill said...

I think you are right on with your analysis of how the roads affect the tire wear. And probably exacerbated by the fact we spend a majority of the time on 2 lane. I hadn't thought about that. I agree the tires should last at least 100,000 miles and the drive and tag could easily if they weren't cracked. The rule of thumb for most is to replace motorhome tires at 7 years plus or minus and most, including me would replace the steers at 5 years. The Michelins are cracking enough that we don't trust them.

Sandy said...

We had good luck with Yokohama steers as well. I see lots of guys running them here as well. We had awful luck in getting warranty claims handled with Goodyear, Michelin, Firestone, O.K. with General.

Bill said...

I can ditto the warranty problem with Goodyear and Michelin, one more reason to try another. Yes, Yokohama was one of the other brands I looked at. Just found better price and availability with the Toyos.